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This calculation shows that Ci and Ce are equal at the same level of lung inflation, because Fexp is negative when Fins is positive and corresponding values are all the same.
Table 3 in the paper shows the results of Ci values and Ce values obtained by APVNL method at several levels of lung inflation. Ci values and Ce values at the same levels of lung inflation shown in the table are different from each other. This seems quite peculiar: Even though statistical analyses were done, the results from the same data sets should be the same. We wonder if some calculation error had occurred in the study. We are not favorably inclined to the idea of obtaining Ci and Ce separately in this kind of study using the Mead and Whittenberger method.
If the points of V/(Pexp
R · Fexp) or V/(Pins
R · Fexp)
relationship are plotted on a volume diagram, it is easier to see
how linear or upward convex the P-V relationships are, and to
identify pulmonary overdistention.
Department of Pediatrics, Tokushukai Medical Center and Fukuoka University, Fukuoka, Japan
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From the Authors:
We thank Drs. Muramatsu and Yukitake for their insightful letter.
In our study we used the method of Mead and Whittenberger to calculate total pulmonary resistance (Rt) and assumed that inspiratory and expiratory resistance were equal to Rt. We were aware of this assumption influencing the accuracy of the compliance measurements and discussed this in the text. We were not aware, however, that this assumption also meant that any difference between inspiratory (Ci) and expiratory (Ce) compliance disappeared and that both should be equal.
In our paper Ci and Ce values given in Tables 2 and 3 are
similar but not identical. The small difference between Ci and
Ce is explained by the sequence of steps our program took to
calculate C. R-values were calculated first from the P/V loop
at increasing steps of volume. C-values were then calculated
from the scalar trace at increasing steps of volume, inserting
the previously calculated R values into the equation of motion, Ci = V/(Pins
R · Fins), Ce = V/ (Pexp
R · Fexp). As
it turns out, the calculations of R and C were not done at precisely the same volumes so that pressures and flows used to
calculate R were not identical to the ones used to calculate Ci
and Ce. We will use this insight to improve our computer program.
We agree, therefore, with Drs. Muramatsu and Yukitake that it is not meaningful to calculate Ci and Ce separately using our algorithm because the results reflect total compliance (Ct) regardless of whether the calculation is done during inspiration or expiration. These Ct values, as our paper shows, give a close estimate of true compliance, and the algorithm used is still the most reliable approach for identifying nonlinear P/V relationships.
The commentators' suggestion to plot V for Pins
R · Fins
or V for Pexp
R · Fexp to obtain a P/V diagram is appreciated. This approach is essentially not different from our approach of utilizing the same measurements to obtain C (C = V/P at the different points of the breath) and showing how C
changes with inflation.
One additional comment. The equation provided by Drs. Muramatsu and Yukitake in their letter contains an error that is probably just an oversight:
Ci and Ce are not equal to V/(Pexp Fins
Pins Fexp), but
Ci = [V(Fins +
Fexp
)]/(Pexp Fins
Pins Fexp) = Ce.
Division of Neonatology, Department of Pediatrics, University of Miami School of Medicine, Miami, Florida
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